Why Veterans Should NOT Reintegrate Back Into Society

Updated: August 26, 2013


By Kerry Patton

Last week I had wrote about an encounter I had in Home Depot upon returning back to the States. I read a lot of comments and agree with many. But this concept of “Reintegration” kept popping up. I sat on it overnight, woke up, thought about it again, and said to myself SCREW THAT SHIT!

Reintegration my ass!

Check it out folks. I am going to throw three key terms at you. Think about those three key terms then I will tell you how I feel about them and why the concept of veterans learning how to reintegrate with society is nonsense. STAAAAAND BYYYY!

Multi-Culturalism: This is a vague concept heavily pushed by “elites” in Europe, thereby attracting a large portion of academia and the political class in the United States. There’s only one glaringly obvious problem with this whole idea…. Nobody really has any idea what Multi-Culturalism actually means, except that it’s supposed to embrace all the good parts of a culture and none of the bad. Unfortunately, no one can agree on what those are so it’s a garbage pale term that sounds cool when spoken in a college class but has no true meaning in the real world.

Assimilation: This is when a bunch of immigrants come to a new land and actually integrate into society. They don’t create any micro-locations like China Town (Multi-Culturalism) but rather live inside pre-existing communities of all different types of races and ethnic backgrounds.

Now we are starting to make sense right? Because all of these immigrants are supposed to accept the pre-existing macro-culture….What if that macro-culture is all jacked up, though?

This leads me to Reintegration: Reintegration is when someone leaves a culture/society for a brief time, returns, and finds their way back into the same culture/society they once left, and actually embraces it as a good citizen. Guess what? Societies and cultures can rapidly change much quicker than most people could fathom. Earlier, I asked the question under the “Assimilation” point. Let me ask that one again.

What if that macro-culture is all jacked up?

I bring up this question for a very real purpose. As Veterans, are we happy with what we see in America today? Are we happy with our society and the cultural shift that has occurred over the years? I know I am not happy about it one bit.

Ok, this is where I feel like William Wallace from Braveheart as he speaks to his fellow warriors.

I refuse to reintegrate back into society. In fact, let me be very clear for a second. I CAN NOT reintegrate back into the society I once left. Why? Because that society is dead!

That’s right, the society and culture that came with such has died. Now, many will argue this point and that’s fine. I am all for healthy debate. But truth be told, anyone trying to argue this will lose. Let me explain.

America as I once knew it has dramatically changed. This change is for the better or worse depending on one’s perception. All perception is molded based off morals and values which assist in establishing one’s beliefs systems. Anyway, because of my belief systems, my perception has been induced to present a negative picture of our present society.

I see American society as a “Me, me, me” society. I also see it as a “free handout” society. I also see it as a society that lost much of our morals and values. Really, look at the difference in married couples versus single parents. Look at how we often refer to actors and actresses, musicians, and athletes as “Heroes.”

Are you fucking kidding me?????

Yup, America as I once knew it is no longer. And as a veteran, I refuse to “reintegrate” myself back into this horrific socio-cultural construct. And guess what? I don’t need to reintegrate myself, either.

As veterans, so long as we stick together, we can make some serious shit happen. That is, if we stick together. Let me provide an example of how we can resuscitate life back to America and embrace our country as we previously had before we left.

Yesterday, some douchestick wrote a heinous article providing six things people should consider before entering military service. It was an absolute anti-military propaganda piece. I, along with MANY veterans, exposed this piece of crap article and voiced ourselves in protest to the point the site sponsoring the piece actually removed it.

We won!

What we did, as veterans, as a brotherhood, was a small victory.

I will never forget one thing I learned in SERE School: “Make small victories every day. Something most people would think is no big deal but for you, it’s a win. Do that every day, and there will remain hope.”

Guess what? We made a small victory yesterday!

As veterans, we should not reintegrate into this bullshit society here in America. Screw that shit! What we should be doing is stepping up and formulating actions like what we did yesterday to bring back the society we once truly loved and embraced.

No, I will not reintegrate. I will however vow to make a difference and bring life, real morally induced patriotic work-your-ass-off life, back to the America I once knew. And I hope none of my brothers swallow this bullshit Kool-Aid about having to “reintegrate” back into society because the society people wish for us to reintegrate back into is broken.

Kerry Patton is author of the new book Contracted II: America’s Terror Trackers.





  1. Russ

    August 26, 2013 at 10:24 am

    There is a saying, “Every generation believes the next generation is the worst generation.” While I believe this opinion is held by a majority of Americans since the 1960’s, many also absolve themselves of any responsibility for shaping the next generation. As veterans we have an obligation placed upon us to inform the public in an effort to counter the prevalence of misinformation and change the widespread negative bias that exists, largely due to a lack of understanding. The core elements of the warrior ethos: integrity, determination, honor, sacrifice, courage, daring, vigilance and respect are the very traits in seemingly short supply. We can lead. We can teach. We can influence.

    • jeffrey

      August 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm

      well said

    • marie

      August 29, 2013 at 1:39 am



      September 4, 2013 at 4:23 pm

      SGM(Ret) E. L. Haney from his book Inside Delta Force.
      We are professional soldiers and that is what we will be until we die. The military is a profession that brands itself on the soul and causes you forever after to view the world and all human endeavor through a unique set of filters. The more profound and intense the experience the deeper the brand.

  2. John

    August 26, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    I was discussing many of the problems with our country with a mentor of mine a few years back. He said that the best way for us (veterans/warriors/Americans) to change things was to become teachers. Grade school, middle school, high school teachers, and college professors. This is where minds are formed. The left understood this a century ago and infiltrated and then completely took over our educational institutions at every level from kindergarten through doctoral programs. That is how they have managed to change our culture so drastically in such a short amount of time.

    • Cliff

      August 27, 2013 at 10:22 pm

      I am a high school social studies teacher. I can tell you that the typical student is desperate for adults who believe what they say and say what they believe. Veterans, you can provide that leadership! This is a battle in which we will need to call upon all of our assets in order to achieve the objective.

    • Shannan

      September 4, 2013 at 9:15 am

      You are exactly right john. Back in the 60’s during Vietnam all the anti war hippies either went to Canada or became teachers. Teachers did not have to go if drafted as well as college students. So now we have 6 decades of liberals who were taught by liberals all this time now. Ultimately you are 100% right we have to re infiltrate the schools to teach the love of our country. These students are coming to expect, what can my country do for me, instead of what can I do for my country.

  3. leftoftheboom

    August 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    You experienced life altering changes. The people you left behind, for the most part, did not. One does not simply assume that no change has taken place or that all changes are bad.

    I had a different view of your first post. Now I am going to say that you do need to talk to someone because you most definitely have some anger issues. Perfectly normal and even expected but they need to be addressed and you are in denial. i.e. I am not broke, the world is.

    One individual is not going to make a change. Not unless that individual is able to purchase one of the media companies that control the information the masses receive. Are you going to make a million man march on Washington? Not when you are butting heads with everyone. It does not matter if you are right or they are right. You are in straight confrontation mode with a desire to fix things or break yourself trying.

    Breaking yourself trying is your only option by the way. You are not going to reorganize this nation with rants on the internet. The individuals that crashed the planes into the world trade center got maybe three years of focus out of the American people before masses went right back to their fantasy football land.

    So go ahead Don Quixote, charge that windmill.

    • leftoftheboom

      August 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm

      If you really want to fix things, start a grass roots insurgent campaign. You are not big enough nor do you have enough money or bodies to win by frontal assault. All you are going to do in marginalize yourself further and insure that you are ignored.

      You want the system fixed? Attack like a virus. From the inside.

    • JoeC

      August 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm

      Sad to say, but this is exactly right. This isn’t WWII where troops left for 5 years and came back to a world that hadn’t had new cars for a few years or where there were commodities shortages, rationing, etc. If you were to write down a list of specific things that have changed since you left I suspect it would be pretty short.

    • Rob

      August 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm

      LOTB, I would like to propose a situation for you. What if one were raised in a military family? From birth the military lifestyle, complete with values such as honor, integrity and service firmly engrained. Growing up with other children from the same families, often living in foreign lands. What if those children grow up and instead of heading off to college enlist in the military themselves, continuing to live in the same culture they and their siblings were raised in.

      It is hard to reintegrate into something you have never experienced nor wish to assimilate into mediocrity.

      I only ask because I am this person, raised by a career enlisted soldier and I had severe problems with this so called “reintegration.” Now that I have established myself within the veteran community both here and also through my volunteer work have I began to feel accepted; not through the traditional community but by my Veteran community.

      • leftoftheboom

        August 26, 2013 at 6:31 pm

        When I was a kid, I saw a man dive into a ditch on the side of the road because a car backfired. Everyone laughed at him and I did not understand. He was a Viet Nam Vet home from war.

        Even the children of the military are not the same as their parents. As society changes so too must everything else. When I deployed the first time, I could call home but the lines were long and it was fairly expensive. My second deployment I had internet in my CHU. This one change is a new change and it permeates everything around us. Information transmitted in seconds around the world.

        If you do not understand the society around you, how do you expect to change them? You cannot walk up to a civilian with no military understanding and expect them to listen to you when they think you are a grenade with a loose pin. Society does not recognize your changes. You must recognize theirs because they outnumber you. The media today takes an opinion poll but they only talk to about 1000 people. That “relative” sample is accomplishing nothing. And if all you ever relate to is the 1% you grew up around, then you are not going to change anything.

        If all the veterans of all the wars got together and asked for a referendum from Congress, we still would have less than 5% of the population. It might be a large absolute number but in real terms it is small.

        You said you are only comfortable around the veteran community. Then I pose this challenge to you. Take on the mission to sneak into the enemy camp. Be like them, eat from their bowls, learn their language, and convince them to accept your cause slowly and from within. If you cannot get comfortable with them, they will never be comfortable with you.

    • Steve

      August 26, 2013 at 4:52 pm

      If you want someone to take your rebuttle seriously, perhaps throw a “I served for a while as well” on the front end. Otherwise, GFY.

      • leftoftheboom

        August 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm

        Take the words at face value or don’t.

        For example, you want me to state plainly that I have served. And yet the words I am typing could be a lie. That being the case my handle is “Left of the Boom”, which anyone with military experience will understand typically derives from a military culture. “Left” being in reference to a military time hack that is uniquely distinct from any civilian counterpart and it is even understood in foreign military service. And the entirety of the name is a reference to the CIED operations and initiatives to deal with and find TTP’s for dealing with and defeating the enemy’s main favorite weapons.

        Therefore I have told you that I have military experience and if you had anything more than 16 hours of Call of Duty game play, you might have picked up on that.

    • leisa

      August 26, 2013 at 5:17 pm

      You are so absolutely wrong. One man can make a difference for all it requires for evil to succeed if for a good man to do nothing or even a few good men. sorry to whoever said it first. At some point a good man steps back and takes a look around him and decides that something has to be done he does not need a media company. He needs a viewpoint and a passion to share it. The “pay It Forward” movement was started by one little boy, and yet that movement changed a culture. It is still inspiring people today that is a recent example. he had no media company but his own actions. Jesus was but one man,he did not have a media company but changed the world and everyone in it in some way.One man can make a difference. It is the person who has lost faith in himself, and those around him, who gives up and lets things he knows as wrong continue on…

      • leftoftheboom

        August 26, 2013 at 6:56 pm

        I did not say that one man cannot make a difference. I said that a man alone who stubbornly expect the world to bend to his will is going to end up disappointed because the world is bigger than he is.

        “Pay it forward” is a meme. No more, no less. It is not changing the world; it puts a meme common name on something that we used to call the “Golden Rule”. Same stuff, different day. And it was not started by a little kid. It was started by someone from the nation of Samaria and it is the story of the Good Samaritan.

        As for Jesus, well he was supposedly just a bit more than a man. I heard he was the Son of God which makes his business cards worth a bit more at Pawn Stars.

        I never said give up. I said change the way you fight. If you fight the world as an individual, YOU WILL LOSE. In case you forgot, they CRUCIFIED Jesus. I said fight an insurgent campaign. A frontal assault against society norms WILL NOT WIN.

        Or do you not watch the news.

        • John

          September 9, 2013 at 10:39 pm

          Read your post again leftoftheboom. You said, and I quote, “One individual is not going to make a change.” Yeah I know, it stings a little. Perhaps you shouldn’t contradict yourself when what your saying is in writing for the entire world to see.

    • Art De La Garza

      August 27, 2013 at 10:46 pm

      Interesting comment from an obvious liberal, that basically denounces everything a liberal stands for. What this article proves is exactly what you are trying to deny and what you are, a coward. Liberals, have the audacity to advocate all sorts of individual and human rights and to challenge the system if it does not conform with your own ideals. You have already given up in your own plight by arguing the fact that this individual or those like Veterans who believe that their country is a regressive state of its moral values, and we are. Your rebuttal states the fact that you are nothing more that a follower instead of a leader and will not even attempt to engage in a small fight in hopes of a small victory, unless you already assume you have won? If that is the case, than prepare for those who challenge you, just as you did in obtaining your own victories. This story does nothing more that frighten you, because the millions of Veterans that are waking up and seeing what our country has turned into and are gearing up for this “new” fight. You are scared, you are a coward and you have already lost.

      • leftoftheboom

        August 28, 2013 at 8:35 am

        Dearest Art,
        I am discussing TACTICS you nimrod.

        What in heaven’s name gave you the idea that I am a liberal? That is a new one.
        All the veterans can get up and march on Washington or any damn place else they want.
        1% of the population does not gain the influence of the other 99% unless they control the media and can do more that rant.

        You cannot, under any circumstances, commit to a frontal assault on the social condition of this nation and expect to do more than end up sorry and sore.

        The media has already started to prepare the way for people to think that Vets are all afflicted with PTSD. The story itself says the wife used the “just home from war” excuse.

        The very nature of the challenge that faces change is that the other side has already stolen the march and is in prepared positions. If you want to change the direction of the Nation you are going to have to do something more that charge to the steps of the White House.

        You need to get elected to sit IN the White House.

    • Army127

      September 5, 2013 at 8:32 pm

      Hey leftoftheboom, I completely disagree with all of what you said. I fought in the war, 2 deployments to Iraq and I am not a kid either, I happen to be 41. I agree that us Vets don’t have to reintegrate into this broken messed up A Erica of today. There are quite a few of us and we can make a difference if we could organize into a cohesive group. This country has become an embarrassment and if a large group of people actually gave a crap we could make changes and turn this Country around before its too late. I fought for my Country for 15 years before I was wounded and when I came back I found a place where everyone thinks they are entitled to something, or that they should get paid to do nothing. We are really what the rest of the world has said we were, it used to be propaganda but now its actually the truth. You see Americans overseas and they are all loud and obnocsious people who think they are entitled to something everywhere they go just because they are Americans! It’s just wrong and maybe if we all get together we can attempt to change something and try to get this Country back on track. If not this will be a broken non super power who is open to attack from who knows who or what in less than a decade. I hope we can do something but I also fear its too far go e as well. We will see.

      • leftoftheboom

        September 6, 2013 at 8:32 am

        Until you become one with the people, you will not understand them nor will they understand you.

        Go ask the Westbro Baptist Church how influential they think they are and then ask anyone else how influential they are.

        Veterans Organizations are Great and Wonderful and Cool and they provide a valued service to every VET who has special unique Veteran needs. But since this country is not made up of Veterans, You are not going to influence the culture of this Nation. Unless you become Part of it. Not telling it what to do from the outside.

        Sorry if you cannot grasp the point.

  4. SSgtAbrassive

    August 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    I am in agreement with Russ, but we as a population (Veterans) have not been loud enough, because while we were serving and defending this nation the left were filling the influence void that we left behind.
    While becoming an educator may expand my sphere of influence on the youth of the nation, I’ll be six feet deep before the current educator population overrides the values and morals that I am instilling in my children.
    Most people today place no value in honesty, integrity, honor, courage, loyalty, initiative and most importantly unselfishness.
    To put a bow on it for those that like pretty packages, if the general public doesn’t know how to or like to deal with veterans they should just say “Thank You” and move along.

  5. Dave

    August 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    I agree with Russ. Unfortunately, when less than 1% of population is serving in the military; Veterans will make up a small percentage of the population. Maybe we can become a minority?

  6. Raven

    August 26, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    I have to say, I agree that we should not reintegrate. I do, however object to the “left/right” remarks. That is falling into a pitfall of bullshit. The vast majority of people, in every nation, fall square in the middle. The extremes of right and left are not indicative of the majority, representing only a handful of nutjobs in either direction.
    I support gun rights AND gay rights. If you have a problem with my gay friend, I will shoot you in the kneecap.
    You are right about becoming educators though. I type this sitting at school after an 8 hour workday. I am putting my miltary discpline and work ethic towards a full time job and full time college course load, with a goal of a PhD in history, to show young minds how important the military is. The VAST majority of medical and technological advances in human history were from military minds and/or funds.
    All of peace preaching hippies only point out the horrors of war, not the benefits society has reaped from militaries throughout history.

    So, can we put aside the political right/left bullshit and work on something truly productive?

    • Freeman

      August 26, 2013 at 7:00 pm

      Thank you! That’s exactly how I feel about the right/left thing. The right and the left are really no different, both are destroying the country with their bullshit and drama. Why does anyone care about gays getting married when it can’t possibly harm them? And why does the far left hate the military? (many on the moderate left appreciate the military in my experience). It all makes no sense.

    • John

      August 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm

      You can whine about left and right labels all day long I will continue to use them. It is not political bullshit. A lot of the difficulties we are facing in society is a direct result of actions taken by leftists. The assault on basic American values started in the early 1900’s. The assault on American education started in the 1870’s. Leftists were convinced they could make America a communist state in the early 20th Century. That’s history, look it up. When they failed, they took the long view. They adopted the strategy that Leftoftheboom is advocating. They tore down our Consitution bit by bit. Infiltrating here, winning someone over there. LOTB is absolutely right. It took the LEFT 100 years to get our country to this sorry state. It will take the RIGHT 100 years to get it back to freedom.

      • Geof

        September 12, 2013 at 10:57 pm

        John, You are exactly right. We need to be taking the long view. Look at our experiences over the past 12 years, we must take the form of an intellectual insurgency if we are to effect change in American society.

  7. John

    August 26, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    We, as military service members (veteran or still serving), are not at war with Society. We are Society. It’s only when we accept that ownership will we ever meaningfully change things. It’s just like when you were in a unit. Like all of you may have done in the military, I’ve said, “Man, I hate the unit that I’m in. It’s so messed up. I can’t wait to PCS out of here.” Just like now with rants against Society, this thought process doesn’t do any good. It’s only when we say, “Hey, this is my unit too. No matter where I’m at on the totem pole, I’m going to fix this place. Whether it be making my squad the best one in the platoon, making my company the best in the battalion, or my division the best in the Army, this organization is going to be first-rate. I’m going to get the best team I can and make that goal a reality.”

    We need to get to this point. So many of us stop at saying, “I’m going to raise my kids right.” There’s more to it than that. Maybe it’s getting a local or regional newspaper to come out and cover an event that’s congruent with our collective, patriotic values. Something like a walk to raise money for veteran’s support groups. Or maybe you organize such an event so that the organizations that matter to us, perhaps something like a Wounded Warrior Project or Green Beret Foundation, get the funding and resources they need to continue to do their mission. The bottom line is this point is this: If you aren’t doing anything about the problem, you don’t get to bitch about it.

    We also need to watch that we do not become what we dislike. I really mean it when I say that no one owes me a damn thing. I collect my paycheck twice a month, have access to TriCare, and get all my other benefits while I serve on Active Duty. My benefits are not set in stone, and even though I may hate it, the government is entitled to turn off things like tuition assistance and other programs. That said, I have the same right to terminate my service to the government when I’m no longer being adequately compensated for it. They will discourage others from serving by not demonstrating value for their service. That’s the choice elected leaders have to make, and they, and their children, are going to have to live with the consequences of those decisions. Now, if I want something from life, whether it be money, continued education, or respect, I’m going to have to earn it. Nobody owes me a damn thing.

    Lastly, I’ll say that we don’t need to accept the charicatures of ourselves that Society enjoys portraying. Generally speaking, we aren’t the holier-than-thou heroes that just walked off the set of “We Were Soldiers.” We aren’t sociopaths that enjoy killing all versions of women, children, and small animals. We aren’t drug-using shock jobs suffering from PTSD. We aren’t morons who were forced into the army because we couldn’t get into college or find a trade. We’re normal human beings who live normal lives. We’re just like your friends, your kids, and every other person on your block. We have become the very best versions of ourselves (affinity for hard work, tenacity, ruggedness, etc) by our experiences in the military. It’s a great place to be, and I’d recommend it as an excellent career for anyone, including my kids and yours. Your conversation with your civilian neighbors should probably include my previous two sentences (hint, hint). If you want people to have the same values as you, they need to be subjected to the same experiences. Otherwise, if others continue to live in a world innandated with news about Kim Kardashian and where everyone gets a trophy because no one ever fails, they will turn out exactly like they are turning out now.

  8. Nick Lanier

    August 26, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Perhaps the greatest thing any of us can do is realize that, as a whole, we Veterans are small in number but formidible when given a task. I am hoping to become a Professor in the future, and from there will begin COIN. Win the battle from the inside out.

    • John

      August 26, 2013 at 7:33 pm

      Right on Nick!

  9. clayton Ferguson

    August 26, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    I agree 100%. SO how do we unify with out being labeled as something bad.

  10. Jeremy Weaver

    August 26, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    I’m in reluctant agreement with the author of this article, especially after watching that train wreck Miley Cyrus pulled last night. My civvy job currently has me on the road a lot so I often listen to talk radio since Central-Indiana has few stations that play Heavy Metal. Our local conservative-themed station is the worst. I listen to nearly 6 hours a day of how “Obama is destroying America”, (for 2 hours, I listen to Bob and Tom), with little insight on how to fix the problems. No one including the hosts, or the guests have ANYTHING of value to offer except whose fault it is. And the people who call in are just pathetic. They mostly comprise of scared elderly people sniffing on the crotch of FOX News, while the hosts feed off of their fear and rub their own vinegar on an already sore situation. While I myself don’t have much to offer in the of answers, (not many tankers do…lol,) I would think the more learned folks who host these programs might have something a little more constructive to add besides a “cult of personality”. To be honest, I doubt there actually IS a cure-all answer to the problems of society besides a balanced education and a good dose of parenting. I’ve added my 2-cents, so now I’ll go back to wondering if Dana Loesch likes anal.

  11. Daniel

    August 26, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Thank you for writing this piece. I have been told that my reintegration into society, as it is, is failing and that I should work and strive more to reintegrate better. I just can not bring myself to do it. The very fibers of my being being to dismantle once I try to accept the cultural norms found in todays society. I am constantly told by the “professionals” at the VA that I need counseling. I look around and wonder who actually needs the counseling. The core values that were taught to me by my airborne grandfathers (that’s right, both were airborne paratroopers) refuse to give way to society’s acceptance of the norm. Reading this made me feel a bit better. I know I’m not the only one struggling with this bs.

  12. FWYSGT

    August 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    I admire all of your comments except LOTB. I admire that LOTB takes the time to respond to the comments, but I personally refuse to lower my standards and stoop to the level of people that do not share my love of country and family. I will not go into “their camp”. My standards are high and they are that way because of my upbringing, my military career, my police career and life experiences. I will respectfully listen to their viewpoint until they say something ignorant or retarded then I turn them off. I simply have no time for them. My standards are just that: standards. If you have none or have lowered yours then that’s your problem. Just don’t expect me to drink your Kool-Aid and believe your babble.

    • leftoftheboom

      August 26, 2013 at 11:36 pm

      I admire my own comments so fortunately I am still happy. But thank you for trying.

    • Clark

      August 27, 2013 at 2:05 am

      Your standards must not be very high, or you wouldn’t use names such as “retarded”. Consider your standards before you express yourself. Society does change, even our families change. We change too. Matter of fact, the only thing that doesn’t change is that we are ALL still human.

  13. Victoria

    August 26, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    So I left Active Duty to get my degree and commission back in. I am currently serving as a Reserve Drill Sergeant and just finished my degree (in 3 yrs). I constantly ran into instructors and my “peers” telling me that I can not continue to function like I’m in the Army b/c I will be unsuccessful. Fuck that! I will continue to be honest, hard working, and firm in my words and actions. I have still found success and friends in fellow veterans. I feel it is society that needs to re-calibrate their moral compass and sense of entitlement; not me. Great article Mr. Patton! I couldn’t agree with you more!

  14. Rok Sarge Kam

    August 26, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    My ass, I’m wondering why was this guy writing tripe that reads like some 1966, 49 cent porno paper back ? Is he a future raconteur practicing his writing skills for adventure novels? Hell no, he already wrote his book! He is shamelessly promoting himself and book by scribbling outlandish, painfully long and boring scenes, about hardware horror stories and golden parachutes with no reserve. We found our path with help a while after cutting away, if you cant try and do that, I’ll see you around.

  15. PASMAN

    August 27, 2013 at 1:08 am

    I left the USAF several years ago to complete my PhD. It has been my experience that MANY MANY university professors/staff are (at least) sympathetic to the left, with many fully committed in the left camp. If you have any “stink” of military service on your CV (resume), you will be isolated and marginalized by these left-leaning profs. IMHO, taking over academia was an absolutely brilliant move by the left. We Veterans have our work cut-out for us trying to move this nation back to the centerline.

  16. JoeC

    August 27, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I was out of work a few years ago and got my teaching certificate to give myself more options. Good luck getting a teaching job with any kind of conservative or military background. They aren’t interested in anyone that doesn’t toe the party line.

    A question about the changes you return to after deployment. If someone can TDY or PCS to SE Asia, Europe or anywhere else in a non-combat environment for 2 years and come back without any issues with reintegration or noticable change in society, why shouldn’t someone who has deployed for 6 months or a year in a combat role be able to do the same thing? It’s because war has changed the warrior and their perceptions. If society had changed the non-combat service members, business travellers, etc. would all notice the same changes. They don’t.

    • Bob

      August 28, 2013 at 1:02 am

      Sorry but the bit about having a military or conservative background being a block to an education career is patently false. See Cliff’s post above- like him, I am a social studies teacher as well (15 years) and I work with several vets, including a recently retired USMC colonel on our local school board. My military experience was in plain view on my resume and I was asked about it- I have also deployed with the Guard during my time in this career field and received unambiguous support for it.

      Look up “Troops to Teachers” in your region and do not give up. I do not know where you live but most public schools are looking for people with our background, not holding it against them.

      • JoeC

        August 28, 2013 at 11:20 am

        I didn’t say it was a block, it’s just another hurdle to overcome. I’m in Oklahoma where military service is pretty much universally respected and appreciated and I am not a veteran, so there is no military service on my resume. But I do have work for/with the military on there and that was enough to get me questioned about how I felt about gun ownership, how I felt about the current political environment and whether or not I would have “issues” related to that work in the classroom. I expected to be asked about it because it was on my resume. I did not expect it to be the negative focus that it turned out to be.

        If you’ve had a different experience I’m happy for that. The three interviews I did all had an anti-military and anti-conservative tone and one of them was done by an Air Force veteran. Not a pleasant experience at all.

  17. Jseph

    August 27, 2013 at 11:26 am

    The replies got too verbose to read them all complete. I have to voice agreement with the fact that the world I left has changed in the years I was out of conus. Perhaps it is time to break open doors with the jaws of life and pull out old school defibulors to resuscitate the minds of our leaders asleep on the job as insurgents trained in our own colleges lead our sheeply neighbor slaughter.

    As a bare minimum veterans need to vote… all of us…and those who can need to give us someone to vote for who is not the lessor of 2 evils; but rather the better of the 2 good.

  18. kevin

    August 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    A few slight differences in my view. One our society has been crumbling for longer than you could have spent in service. A couple of reasons that reintegrating into this current society brings so much of a shock. While you are in, you grow older (wiser/less naive) and your view changes and solidifies, while simoultaniously learning the value of service and personal responsibility far beyond what many of your peers may even imagine. As I came back from 8 years of service I realised that the people I came back to were for the most part still stuck in the same vaccum (american civilian society) they were in when i left. i now fear no ass chewing, no deadline, no stress, because no “crisis” or problem here can come anywhere near what i dealt with on a daily in the army. I agree, there is no need to reintegrate into this soceity, because this society is eating itself alive. we need to lead the charge into greatness again.

  19. Dave

    August 27, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Well let’s get something going. If anybody wants to get organized in Dallas or knows existing veterans groups trying change things for the better. Let me know.

    • 19D Ninja

      August 28, 2013 at 6:30 pm

      Dave I am not too far from DFW. I agree it is important for like minded individuals to network and stick together to try to make something happen. Is there some way to PM on here or something?

  20. Dave

    August 27, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Well let’s get something going. If anybody wants to get organized in Dallas or knows existing veterans groups trying change things for the better let me know.

  21. Debra

    August 28, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    I read your article and then a few comments (seemed they weren’t that supportive). I have never been in the military, but I know a few who have and war definitely changes you. However, I also see the changes in our society and many are having a negative impact on our freedom. It’s interesting that they say the military fights to preserve our freedom and yet government continues to whittle away at our constitutional rights day by day. While people say “you need to talk to someone”, that’s what you’re doing here. Good for you.

  22. Doug graybill

    August 30, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I make a difference

  23. John

    September 5, 2013 at 4:02 am

    I am not a veteran, and I haven’t served, but I wholeheartedly agree: society has gone down the crapper!
    Even here in Australia, there seems to be too much of a dependence on welfare and other handouts, there has been a recent spate of attacks on the elderly (seriously: WHAT THE FUCK?), and then there’s the parents of these douche-sticks who claim it’s not their fault, or it couldn’t be their child because “Billy is a little angel” (read “Billy is a little shit, but we can’t handle him, so we let him do what he wants”). A lot of “men” only have the mental capacity of a 13y.o. especially with that outbreak of “swag” and “YOLO”

    So yes, a big FUCK THAT to accepting society as it stands. You men and women who serve in the armed forces make me proud, and you and I (and anyone else who is sick of it) shouldn’t take this shit lying down.

  24. Geof

    September 8, 2013 at 12:07 am

    It seems to me that each and every one of us here is more than capable of serving as agents of change. It is true that we are the minority; to argue otherwise is foolish. Though we are few, we are not without voice, we are not without strength, and we each hold within us the abilities needed to step forward and be counted.

    Do not be discouraged by those who would discount you, We are the leaders of character and courage that those around us need today. We must conduct battlefield triage on our communities, our circles of influence, and determine who around us can be reached.

    “… All [Soldiers] are entitled to outstanding leadership, I will provide that leadership.”

    Do not seek only those who are already of like mind, we must provide the example to those who are undecided or are as yet directionless.

    “…I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage.”

    We will only bring others to our way of thought by being consistent and determined in our approach. Providing the example to others to emulate, hold ourselves to the standards that we set, and accept nothing less than our personal bests.

    “I will be loyal to those with whom I serve…”

    We must provide the support to each other that we cannot expect society to provide us. We are all brought into the common family of service by blood, sweat, and tears paid over years of service.

    Together, we can begin to slow the descent into madness that we all recognize around us. Together, we can halt the advance into mediocrity. Together, we can change the course of history and create a better tomorrow for ourselves, our families, our nation, our world.

    It will not be easy. It will not be fast.

    In the words of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, former President of the United States: “We do not do this because it is easy, we do this because it is hard.”

    Every day, we choose if we are going to make a difference.
    NCOs, make it happen.
    BlackBlood 17, out.

  25. Steve P.

    September 17, 2013 at 3:14 am

    Integrating into society was, and still is difficult for me. I did not realize how much different I was until I got a civilian job. If you have already concluded that me being different is the problem, read on.

    This is what I found in my civilian employment:

    1. The majority do not follow the SOP’s that they agreed to follow upon employment. They are content with knowingly doing their job wrong and lack any sense of initiative, unless their supervisor is around. The one’s who were uncomfortable with doing their job wrong resorted to passivity and continued to live their conflicted existence out as a disgruntled employee.

    2. When an employee knows that another employee is stealing, they again, resort to passivity and justify to themselves why they are not going to say anything.

    3. What ever happened to being assertive. “Well he’s the manager so…”. I say, the manager is just as accountable to the rules and regulations of the company as any other employee. Furthermore, they need to be encouraging, enforcing and reinforcing the rules. But there are several other managers that could do that, right?

    4. Why are people late all the time? Haha!

    5. They, yeah I said they, as in the other people that do not have any sense of ethics, personal responsibility, integrity, assertiveness or moral character. If you have already identified yourself as being in the group, sorry. It is apparent that everyone can discuss ethics, responsibility and even their job description. The problem arises when they attempt to put it into action. The path of least resistance seems to be the status quo.

    6. I did force change by challenging the management to align with established policies and procedures. I know, it’s weird that I didn’t just complain with other employee’s about it and go on about my day. I engaged the entire management as a new employee, all by myself. Everyone thought that I had lost my mind. I had to reassure them that you can’t get fired for following policy. I wrote memo’s, had meetings and other 1 on 1 discussions with management all the way up to the General Manager. BTW, this is the same GM that preached policies and procedures during my hiring process. So I professionally called him out and challenged him to do his job. He didn’t like it, although he tried to agree with everything I was saying. Backstabbing is rife.

    7. Eventually, I resigned due to ethical reasons. It’s ridiculous that I had to resign from employment because I was being prevented from following SOP. The employee’s were crushed because I was the only person willing to stand up and let their voice as well as my voice be heard. The funny thing is I couldn’t believe that nobody was behind me. Silent supporters rooting from the sideline. Business as normal.

    8. Anyone can chalk it up to bad management. I consulted my wife, my mom, and my friends. They all thought I was crazy also. I could not understand it. I still don’t. Not doing what your supposed to be doing is dishonest. Pretending that you are doing what you’re supposed to be doing when you know you’re are not is blatant dishonesty. How can you do that everyday and feel good about yourself? I guess I am the one who is not normal, who needs to be like everyone else.

    I just wanted to give a real account of my recent “reintegration” experience. Does anybody need an honest employee?

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