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We’re Better Than This

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Updated: February 3, 2014

 

By Nick Palmisciano

We need to stop being fucking assholes.

I have a massive amount of pride about the time I spent in the military.  I have an even greater appreciation for the men and women who have spent the last decade plus deploying over and over again for our nation, and the highest level of respect for those who were injured or killed while in harm’s way.  There is no way that a sane person can read about the sacrifices of Chris Kyle or the members of Operation Red Wings or the members of “Blackhawk Down” and not be blown away by what these men endured.  I personally can’t comprehend it, and to pretend otherwise would be mere blustering.

I’ve lost a lot of friends in these wars.  I’ve seen even more wounded or traumatized mentally.  I think the right thing for any patriot to do is to give back to the military community – to make sure the needs of the wounded and the families of the fallen are provided for and to help transitioning veterans succeed as civilians.

And yes, there is a time and a place to unleash the full capability of our respective asshole Death Stars.  Spoiled college kid talking shit about veterans – make him your own personal Alderaan.  Members of Congress trying to reduce promised veteran benefits – show them your asshole ray is fully operational by relentlessly mocking them, calling attention to their inability to govern, and ensuring they are never again re-elected.  Westboro Baptist Church picketing veteran funerals – let them feel the power of the mother fucking dark side we all have inside of us.

But what in the actual hell are we doing shitting on Phillip Seymour Hoffman?  And for that matter, why did we treat Paul Walker the same way a month ago? (Who, by the way, ended up being a pretty good guy who donated heavily to veteran charities and did a significant amount to help inner city youth.)

I understand that we wish people cared about Chris Kyle the way they do about these actors.  I understand that.  But honestly, that’s never been the case and it never is going to be.  Chris Kyle is our hero.  He is part of our community.  Most Americans don’t know who he is because he isn’t in the news and he isn’t part of their community.  That isn’t their fault.  Do we know who the great doctors are?  How about the great policemen in Toledo, Ohio – the ones who have died in the line of duty?  Which firefighter in Jackson Hole, Wyoming has saved the most lives?  I don’t have those answers, and it isn’t because I don’t care or appreciate doctors, policemen, or firemen.  It’s simply because I don’t live in those worlds.

Hoffman was an incredible actor.  I don’t know anything about him as a human being because I’m not one of those people all that interested in the lives of actors, but I do know that every time he was in a movie, I was more apt to watch it.  I just thought the guy was fucking good.  And he died, and I’m bummed about it, because I know I’m not going to see him in anymore movies.  I’m not going to cry myself to sleep and I’m not going to go out and have a Phillip Seymour Hoffman movie marathon, but you know, it sucks.  To other people, this is very emotional.  Other people related to his work, or to him, personally.  Why the hell would we, as the military community, be so cold as to think their loss is meaningless?  Why would we take to social media to mock the guy or those who are mourning him?

Yeah, he died of a drug overdose.  So do many of us.  Yeah, he abused alcohol.  Don’t we all have friends who have?  Haven’t some of us used alcohol as a very dangerous post-deployment crutch?  We have no idea what this guy went through.  Maybe he was abused.  Maybe he was bullied.  Maybe he had a mental disorder.  And maybe he just became a druggie because he tried drugs once and they are really fucking addicting.

But we do no good by mocking or insulting him.  In fact, all we do is make our community look small.

In my estimation, the military veteran is the toughest, most resilient, and most worthwhile citizen on the planet.  We volunteered to fight wars to protect priceless freedoms.  We spilled blood, sweat and tears so others would not have to.  We’ve seen things we wouldn’t wish on anyone.  We worked together to overcome adversity and we know how lucky we are to live where we live and have what we have in this great country.  In short, we’ve paid the price and acquired wisdom that cannot be achieved by other means.

We’re supposed to be bigger than this.  We’re supposed to use our insight and experience to help the civilization we fought for during our service.  We’re supposed to fight for those who can’t fight for themselves.

We’re not supposed to bully the dead and those for whom the dead had meaning.

That just isn’t what warriors do.

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66 Comments

  1. Jon Nugent

    February 3, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    F’N legit and well said..

    • Rrrrrrrranger

      February 4, 2014 at 6:27 am

      Good job on your first step towards becoming a fully actualized human being.

      Second step: realizing that wearing obnoxious tshirts about how awesome of a hardcore rrrrrrrranger warrior you are is also unseemly and has nothing to do with being a consumate professional or adult human being.

      • Jason R

        February 4, 2014 at 7:39 am

        Really??? You should be bannished to hippie tree humping hell. I will buy you one of those t shirts so that you can flog yourself with it.

        • Lonnie

          February 6, 2014 at 1:12 pm

          Nick has more hooah in his nutsack than you have in your whole body. Go flog yourself!!!

      • WK

        February 4, 2014 at 11:13 am

        And I’ll get you some tie-dyed granny panties to wear while you’re flogging yourself.

        Please read previous article on whiners, you are a definite fit!

      • Dan

        February 6, 2014 at 6:20 pm

        Apparently, becoming a fully actualized human being requires you to earn a liberal arts degree and then live with your parents until you are 30

    • Ruben Castillo

      February 4, 2014 at 1:00 pm

      I’m with you; f’ing well-articulated and brutally honest with the perfect blend of sarcasm, humility, pride, and profanity! Bravo Zulu! ***SALUTE***

  2. dennis wesley

    February 3, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Well written sir

  3. Catherine Young

    February 3, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Thank you for saying this! Every word is so true. Rise abive now like we were taught.

  4. joe shumate

    February 3, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    thank you for the time you spen addressing that piece of hatred.
    I agree with you to the nth.
    within the space of 140 characters too many people are too interested in image management than doing/saying anything remotely kind.
    i am new to twitter so Ive not quite got it all down yet but have already seen many examples like this.
    I dont even get what the trending deal is, do ppl make money or what?
    anyway, I’m still gonna try to be funny and think that others might think me smareter than I really am, Keep it going Ranger! Joe<<<regular Joe

  5. JD

    February 3, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Hell yeah, Nick.

  6. Dave

    February 3, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Roger that. Maybe he was a good actor, and maybe not…who cares? So the guy had demons? Who doesn’t? I don’t personally approve of drugs, and heroin is clearly a poor lifestyle choice, but I don’t feel any need to crap all over the guy. It’s a damn shame. If anybody ought to be crapped on, it would be anyone who knew he was in trouble and looked the other way.

    • Sean

      February 3, 2014 at 6:50 pm

      What that guy said.

  7. Nick

    February 3, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    I agree that the death of a celebrity and a soldier shouldn’t be compared or that we should expect civilians to understand. I have a problem with society calling his death a battle against heroin! And you are wrong the majority of Americans don’t die of drug over dose. He should not be associated with any kind of battle and all news agencies should say this is what happens when you use heroin!

    • Caitable

      February 5, 2014 at 12:55 am

      You’ve obviously never dealt with someone in your life (or yourself) having an addiction. It can and is a battle for them every single day. I’ve got plenty of friends and loved ones battled addiction to this day. Its not pretty, its not easy and there is no reason to down grade it to something so simple as saying “this is what happens when you do Heroin.” I’m forever grateful for the VA’s addiction programs.

  8. kris murdock

    February 3, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    Good shit

  9. M. Luna

    February 3, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    The problem isn’t with Hoffman or his death. The problem is that his death is more important to the majority of the population of this country.

    Nobody sheds a tear for a volunteer that devoted their life to just simply helping others and met a tragic death. Nobody (nationally) gives a shit when a cop or a firefighter die in the line of duty.

    The problem is that our society has devolved into a such a pathetic state, that the most important people on the planet are people that are famous.

    This guy is no more important than anyone else on the planet. The only reason anyone gives a shit, is simply because he is famous.

    RLTW

    • Freeman

      February 3, 2014 at 4:04 pm

      When has it been any different? Famous people are famous because more people know their name. Therefore people are more likely to mourn them than someone they’ve never heard of. Humans have made people celebrities since the dawn of civilization – it’s not a recent thing. In fact, ‘normal’, unheard of people’s deaths have garnered more attention than they used to – because of the internet. In the 80s, would you have heard of the death of a firefighter from across the country? Probably not. Would you hear of the death of a celebrity? Probably. Today, you can hear about both.

    • Jay

      February 4, 2014 at 12:56 pm

      I care. I know a lot of other people who do. The world isn’t as general and simple as most people think.

      • Darla G

        February 5, 2014 at 8:15 am

        I care. I have cried .

    • RW.E

      February 5, 2014 at 12:01 am

      ^^^^THIS!

  10. Phelps

    February 3, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Hoffman helped to try to disarm the American public. I wish we crapped on him more for that than for anything that smacks of envy.

  11. Greg

    February 3, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    “But what in the actual hell are we doing shitting on Phillip Seymour Hoffman?” Oh maybe because he wanted to strip the rights service members swore to uphold. Why are you providing cover for a guy who was high as a kite while voicing over anti gun rights cartoons for Bloomberg while dishing out cash to heroin dealers? I can see why some service members would be livid. 90% +/- of the heroin comes from Afghanistan so he was pretty much giving cash to the people who are then shooting our soldiers while at the same time denying guns for self protection to those at home too.

    Folks, there are many politicians trying to co-opt veterans and active duty to fight their gun grabbing battle for them since they can not count on hollywood to get the job done. Seems they got their hooks in this fella pretty deep to provide such well spun distraction. Can you imagine what they would do if they found someone like Ted Nugent or other pro 2A celeb dead with a needle in his arm like a street corner junkie?

    Oh gosh it would be headline news for months with “You must be a junkie to be against Gun Control..

    • leftoftheboom

      February 8, 2014 at 11:30 am

      Ted Nugent is a douche.

      Why? Although he was drafted, instead of serving, he picked a highly disgusting method to get a deferment. He has even bragged about how he did it. Do not tell me he is a supporter of the military when he refused the call of service and was willing to degrade and humiliate himself in order to do it.

      One of the military values is Integrity. Nugent has none.

  12. rosel

    February 3, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Fucking well said, I am constantly preaching this to other veterans.

  13. Chris Simrak

    February 3, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    Another Liberal elitist that felt the 2nd Amendment is obsolete and the citizens should be disarmed. Just like drugs being illegal will save lives. Oh wait, wasn’t he found with a heroin needle in his arm?
    Sorry Brother, Screw him!

  14. Drew

    February 3, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Nobody is insulting him. They (myself included) are insulting the people that:

    1. Act like they knew him personally
    2. Act like he gave them a kidney
    3. Act like he is some national treasure

    Etc etc.

    • Soldier Girl

      February 4, 2014 at 12:10 am

      Um, obviously plenty of people are insulting him. I was lead to this post by a link someone commented at one of the MANY facebook posts in which people were insulting him in order to make a point that they didn’t really end up making.

  15. Murphy

    February 3, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Yeah, he didn’t like guns. Great. The same goes for at least one of your neighbors, most likely. Do you plan in taking a big crap on their coffin in front of the family? No?
    Then try to pretend that the American Serviceman has some form of a moral standing and confine your complaints to the enemies who are still trying to take them.
    Bashing this guy now that he’s dead is like cutting the ears off of a corpse; you might feel a little better, but it sure as shit doesn’t make you better.
    He’s dead. Move on and Charlie Mike.

    • John

      February 4, 2014 at 12:07 pm

      None of my neighbors dislike guns…I live in TEXAS!

  16. Michelle

    February 3, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    Well said Nick! I applaud your humor and your sincerity and the truth that you spoke in this article. No one ever has the right to belittle or mock the death of another. Even pond-scum sucking gutter rejects just might have a loved one whose life will be diminished by their death.

  17. stew smith

    February 3, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Amen – I am tired of stupid people too. STFU and be better than this!

  18. Gina

    February 3, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Very well written article. It’s hard to “catch” ourselves when we start judging others. Usually, we are not that self aware. The phrase, “If we knew all, we’d forgive all” comes to mind. We’re human, we make mistakes whether by word, deed or by omission. Thank you for the reminder.

  19. Ron

    February 3, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    I’m glad you said it. It doesn’t matter what his personal beliefs were. It doesn’t matter if he was so anti-gun that he tattooed it on his arm. The man passed away and it’s never morally right to make fun of the dead. I’m very glad you posted this because I have seen it on social media. My prayers go out to Philip Seymour Hoffman’s family at this time of loss.

  20. Jeff Nelson

    February 3, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    Amen Nick!

    We all have experienced different pains throughout life. Each persons pain is their own. A person has died and we should allow this person’s family the same peace that we would want our families or the families of our fallen brethren to be afforded. Regardless of what this person’s beliefs and convictions are, he is still a human being at the end of the day and we all fought for others to have these differences of opinion. That is what freedom is all about. Let’s give this man his peace and be grownup individuals. There is enough hate in this world that we do not need to further the spread over one person’s passing.

    Semper Fi!
    Jeff

  21. Jim Davis

    February 3, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    Damn straight!

  22. Jeffrey Rice

    February 3, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    I don’t think this is a military thing. It’s more about another Hollywood actor died of a drug overdose. I for one am tired of the celebrations when these immoral cretins die of a drug overdose and everyone feels bad. That has nothing to do with me being in the military. I just have zero sympathy for millionaire drug addicts.

  23. leftoftheboom

    February 3, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    Darwin Award Winner for Feb 2014,

    His death was the first thing about him that I found entertaining.

    Philip Seymour Hoffman was found with five empty heroin bags as well as many as 65 more bags that were still unused, police told ABC News.

    I don’t value druggies and I really don’t value the Hollywood “elite”.

    Conspicuous consumption by the beautiful people, ah, now if we could just get Justin Bieber to take a hit. My week would be off to a great start.

    • leftoftheboom

      February 3, 2014 at 9:55 pm

      Now a question was asked and at the risk of being labeled an asshole, I will do my best to give my answer. I don’ mind being labeled as one. I even have a velcro nametape around here somewhere with that name on it.

      Why do find nothing wrong in laughing at this jackass who died getting his fix or have no remorse for Walker when he went out in a blaze of glory? Because their fucking entertainers with no significant value to society except as entertainers and yet they are sanctified as if they have made meaningful contributions to the world at large and we are all supposed to be better for having been graced by their presence. Why the mere fact that they shared this mortal earth with us should embolden the pathetic commoner to worship at the altar of fame so that the next beautiful icon of glory shall be known that we may bask in their reflected glory. I feel heaven is just a bit closer to me now that I know such worthies have gone before me and might condescend to allow me just a moment to bathe in their angelic presence. Oh the humanity.

      They die just like everyone else does and I am sick and tired of hearing about their “contributions”. So if the media wants to deluge me with tidbits about how great the guy was, I feel it is only fair to remind them that he was a drugged out moron who died with a needle in his arm.

      Maybe Leondardo Decaprio can get his Oscar at the estate sale?

      • Albert

        February 3, 2014 at 10:25 pm

        On one level, I agree that we shouldn’t necessarily elevate the status of celebrity deaths – they are, after all, human like everyone else, and have the same moral failings and weaknesses of character as the rest of us. I’ve read somewhere that friends of actors and other folks who made it big have said that these folks are even more miserable after achieving fame, because the problems they thought being famous and having money would solve really didn’t go away.

        I do have to disagree on entertainment – culture is one of the things that fundamentally makes us human, whether it’s watching a good movie or watching a good fight. I would argue that we are diminished when a cultural icon passes away if they have contributed something positive, or at least notable, to the world.

        Nick is alluding is this mentality of beating our chests, talking shit about celebrities and society and whatnot, and heaping our own praises upon ourselves for having gone to war and suffered things that 99% of everyone else will never experience. It’s justified hubris perhaps, but still hubris nonetheless. Yeah, we talk shit about Navy Seals for consulting in video games and movies and writing books, but we ourselves aren’t exactly “quiet professionals,” are we? It’s productive to talk about the misguide priorities of our society to be sure, but I just find the whole “Soldiers killed in the ‘stan while a celeb od’ed” line of thinking to be played out.

      • Alex

        February 4, 2014 at 12:47 am

        I can’t speak for the recently deceased, but Walker actually had some “significant value to society” as you so aptly put it. Perhaps you would do well to research his humanitarian efforts and the foundation he started? Once you have, please feel free to come back again and state how he had no significant value…he was a rare find in Hollywood–an actor who put his money to good use to benefit others besides himself.

        • leftoftheboom

          February 4, 2014 at 8:06 am

          And why do we know this? Because his agent told us. Actors make a living in the spotlight for the characters they portray. You don’ t know who these people are anymore than I do. Why is the death of an entertainer so damn significant? It is not to anyone but them.

          I don’ t care if he dug wells in Africa or sold hotdogs in Spain. If I want their life story I will buy the book.

  24. Jake R.

    February 3, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    Harrumph!

  25. Eric H

    February 3, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    I agree that we as a segment of the American society should take the high road and not bully the dead, but I can not for one second weep or feel any sorrow for this guy. Yeah, he was a decent actor. No DeNiro or Pacino, but he was alright.

    That being said, he was a freggin druggie who died getting his fix. I have far more respect for the guy who says “F*** this life, I’m out!!” and puts the metal to his noggin and ends it than I do for a guy who died looking for a bigger and bigger high with every needle he stuck into his arm. Thats all that this is, he wanted more and more and this last time the man upstairs caught him with his junk in his hand.

    Now you’re right, we don’t know his struggles. We don’t know his underlying issues. But we have all been bullied. We have all been abused. No excuse, in my opinion, to turn to drugs. And now with the news reporting that the police found bag after bag after bag of drugs in his apartment and that he was supposed to be picking his kids up….WHILE HIGH!?!?!?!? No, screw this guy!! I won’t trample on his grave but nor shall I stop anyone from mocking this guy.

  26. Mike M

    February 3, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    The guy was suffering. Addiction is suffering in the end no matter who does it or why or whether or not you respect them. People do stupid shit when they are addicted including anti-gun voice overs Our brothers turn to alcohol and drugs post-deployment and some die of liver failure, overdose or related accidents but you are telling them a gun is a better way? and all they are are freakin drug addicts? You just shit yourself along with leaving a lot of your brothers behind who could use your help.

  27. Roger

    February 3, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    I agree. Thank you.

  28. JJ

    February 3, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    I guess this guy forgot what being a silent professional is all about. What makes a soldier’s life worth more than an actor’s…or less, for that matter? Mr. Seymour was obviously struggling with some really dark stuff and if you’ve ever had a battle buddy go through a serious PTSD stint, you know how helpless this is. It’s all very sad. Mr. Seymour won’t have a day dedicated to his death, but veterans do. What a wonderful day that is for me to remember my two college roommates who didn’t make it back from Iraq. How upsetting it would be if the public said how stupid of a holiday Memorial Day is when in fact remembering and respecting the dead can be very healing. The fact is, a man died the other day, and no matter how it happened, it’s sad. This article is totally disrespectful to the deceased and in the end, the author sounds like a whining child who thinks his job is more important than everyone else’s. And this is coming from a veteran. Author, you’re making your brothers look bad. Learn to be a quiet professional and maybe the respect you are looking for will come more easily than it does from writing a disrespectful article about a dead American.

  29. Jeff Coulter

    February 4, 2014 at 12:00 am

    Well said, Nick.

  30. Soldier Girl

    February 4, 2014 at 12:03 am

    I think a lot of you are missing the point. Fill in another celebrity in place of SH. OP mentioned Paul Walker, who, aside from his fondness for way younger chicks was a pretty stand up guy who tried hard to do the right thing. Or maybe fill in Patrick Swayze or Steve Jobs. Whatever. People were bitching when Jobs dies too saying stupid shit like “All that asshole did was sell expensive computers. Soldiers. Soldiers. Soldiers.” This logic in which people feel the need to put down someone or something else in order to promote their cause is a lazy persuasion tactic. It reminds me of those people who promote acceptance of “average” bodies who say things like “skinny is shit, curves are sexy.” Belittling someone else or someone else’s position will not increase your own value.

  31. Soldier Girl

    February 4, 2014 at 12:09 am

    Also, just so you are aware, TONS of SOLDIERS do hella drugs and tons of other shitty stuff every day. Are you going to talk about the dumb ass shit those soldiers have done in wake of their deaths? Tons of shitty shitty people are in every profession and yet you wouldn’t tweet “Soldier who repeatedly sexually harassed his female subordinates died in firefight this weekend” or “Known wife beater, chronic cheater and alcoholic killed by IED.” No you would never see that. Instead people talk about the good things.

    • Ian

      February 4, 2014 at 5:27 pm

      That’s a well thought out perspective. It seems that whatever makes the better story is what’s written.

      “Convicted wife beater dead in drunk driving accident”
      (The public rallies behind the wife, the justice system and anti drinking and driving campaigns)

      “Father of two dead in Texas snowstorm crash”
      (Same guy, same circumstances but the story is reported differently because the snowstorm is the bigger deal at the moment. His being a father makes the story more tragic)

      Can you imagine if for just one day the media reported jthe plain facts and not all the shit they use to sell it?

  32. Ian

    February 4, 2014 at 12:40 am

    I really like this article. As soldiers we find ourselves fighting for everyone – left, right and everyone in between. Christians, atheists, Muslims, Hindus and the list goes on. We fight for the American people and our allies. While in the theatre of operations I never thought to myself “I better not die today for those fucking 2A detractors”. I did however think that if I die today, I want my wife and family to know how much I gave a shit about them. And truth be told, only two out of my six immediate family members are 2A supporters. Neither I, nor the soldiers I stood beside cared about what any citizen of this country thought politically, we fought for all of them unilaterally.

    We’ve come to a point in this country where supporting or not supporting a certain piece of legislation is taken by the opposing view as being “un-American”.

    Here is an idea for you: as a serving or past serving member of the Armed Services, you swore to protect Mr Hoffman and every other actor, celebrity, drug user, lefty, righty, gay, straight, knee praying, Mecca facing human being who calls the USA home. If you’re reading this, you’re still alive to think about it. Some of your friends aren’t around anymore and gave their life protecting the people mentioned above because we the people asked them to put themselves in that situation.

    The time you spend bitching about a fucking actor’s political view or recreational drug use could better be used taking a deceased veterans child to the baseball diamond, or to the library so that they’ll grow up knowing better than to sit around griping like us…

    For fuck sake, I need a beer

    • J

      February 4, 2014 at 3:03 pm

      What he said!

  33. Justin T. Highland

    February 4, 2014 at 12:52 am

    He died of drugs. He abused drugs. Just like Heath Ledger. And I can say this as not being part of your community. I’m a pretentious, Libertarian, Drug-Free, Homeschooled, Christian, Moral fascist, college student.

    Moves are a mass produced money making machine that propagate falsehoods and keep books from being read. Lets take a minute and think for a second; he had everything. Failing the future is no excuse of the past, it is ones choices in the present.
    Now I liked his movies, but he deserves no special attention or treatment. He stood in front of a camera. He deserves the artists heap of history; a reminder of why we daily choose sanity over needless self expression.
    I am sick beyond belief of what my generation is becoming. Glorifying art and sports over action and good service.
    I respect your honest plea for chivarly in death from your community. But honestly- SCREW HOFFMAN HE TOOK THE COWARDS WAY

  34. Richard Manjerovic

    February 4, 2014 at 7:00 am

    To M. Palmisciano We certainly are better than this. Don’t talk about Hoffman in the same manner that you talk about Chris Kyle or any vet. I agree that there are plenty of people on the planet who do great things without seeking recognition or getting recognition. However, someone who has it all yet pisses it away on his own does not come even a scintilla close to a veteran who takes his own life because of what he went through. Yes, he will be remembered as a great actor despite his suicide/accidental death whereas the vet will be remembered as what war did to him and not what he did. When Kyle was killed how much did you hear about his service as opposed to his position as sniper? Depended on what news you listened to or what paper you read. How much did we hear about Marcus Luttrel and the other members of the Seal Team who perished were it not for “Lone Survivor”? We have a marked double standard in this country which treats people like Hoffman different than people like Kyle. Yes, I would agree that any death, whatever the reason, is a tragedy but I don’t need to be judged regarding how I should respond or how I should feel. Yes, we all present our responses based on our interactions or knowledge of the person who died but don’t lecture me to feel the same as you just because you feel it is the right thing to do.

  35. fedup

    February 4, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Not trying to nitpik but the “policemen” from Toledo who died were actually two firefighters…not starting a fight or anything, just setting the record straight so they are remembered correctly

  36. Rob Reed

    February 4, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    He was against gun rights. He died of an overdose of illegal drugs.

    I don’t understand the hero worship here? He was an actor, who was against the things I stand for, and who routinely engaged in illegal, self-destructive behavior, while working to restrict *my* rights to engage in legal behavior.

    So, yeah, fuck him.

  37. JoeC

    February 4, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Who the hell is Phillip Seymour Hoffman and why would I care about how he is treated vs anyone else? I looked up his filmography and I’ve seen maybe 5 of his movies and don’t remember him from any of them. If it wasn’t for the media onslaught since his death I wouldn’t even know the name. And there is the problem with this situation: the media. Who’da thunk it? They sensationalize their own until we’re sick of hearing about it, then call us hateful when we tell them we’re sick of it. I don’t know this guy, whoever he is on screen or in real life, and I don’t care to hear his life story on the news all day every day. These things are polarizing because nobody cares about this guy but his friends and they happen to be in a unique position to force us all to mourn with them. At the same time, the media completely ignore the deaths of people like Ed Freeman, Daniel Inouye, Nicolas Oresko, John Hawk and John McGinty. Is really how far our connotation of the word hero has devolved?

    • Whitey

      February 6, 2014 at 10:39 am

      Gonna date myself here, but years ago I was sitting in a college PoliSci 101 class (general ed requirement for my Underwater Basket-Weaving AA). I was about 5 years older than the rest of the class and the teacher was just as bored to be there as I was. The teacher finishes his spiel, there’s still 20 minutes on the clock, so he asks, “Any guesses on who the father of Britney Spears’s baby is?”

      Class discussion begins with. I put my hand up and announce that I have exclusive information on this subject. Everybody looks intently at me. I say, “The father of her kid is not me, nor is it anybody I know. So why the hell would I give a shit?”

      Our society is a freakin’ tabloid market. Too many people are far too eager to know which nostril Lindsey Lohan was snorting coke into in the club bathroom or whatever. We can’t get through a week without hearing more about the trial of Michael Jackson’s doctor, but a patrol cop killed by a drunk driver when he stopped to help somebody with a blown tire is back-page news.

      How many of these same people have even heard of the Granite Mountain Hotshot Crew? How many of these same people know who Dakota Meyer or Sal Giunta are? How many of these same people could tell you who Mike Murphy, Danny Dietz, or Matt Axelson were AFTER A MAJOR FUCKING MOVIE WAS MADE ABOUT THEM?

      As for Hoffman, yes, he was a liberal elitist douche. And 65 bags of heroin are worth A METRIC SHIT-TON of money that he certainly didn’t feel like using to help any higher cause. Doesn’t mean I’ll take a dump on his grave while his kids watch, but I won’t shed any tears for the guy either.

  38. Lou

    February 4, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    I agree with your article 100%, HOWEVER, your RANGER UP website doesn’t seem to reflect the same views. Go to Ranger Up’s info page. Under “Things Ranger Up despises,” your website lists “actors,” further explaining that you guys prefer puppets… While I really can’t decipher exactly all the meaning behind it, the generalization of your comment on actors seemingly fuels what you criticize in the above article.

    I’ve supported your business since it’s inception, but when I came across your info page a few days ago, I shared the same sentiment that you echoed in the above. I have to say, I was rather disappointed…

    Since this article clarifies what you REALLY believe (contrary to the generalization on your website), I guess I can’t be too critical. You’ve renewed my hope that there still exists some decency in the American bad ass.

    Thanks Nick for your continued support for the military. While not 100% refined, you have a gift of clear communication that positively influences the character of our troops.

    RLTW
    De Opresso Liber

  39. whatever

    February 4, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    The fucking jerk left his kids for his habit. I’m sorry your ass bleeds. Have some kids of hour own someday ya fucking selfish prick.

  40. Richard Aubrey

    February 4, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    Nothing personal in this: I don’t watch many movies and I never heard of the guy.
    Being a druggie isn’t any fun.
    He offed himself, possibly not entirely by accident. Apparently there was not enough high to cover the pain and the next step was….
    That said, leave the guy alone. There are those who loved him and we have no reason to crap on them.
    When my brother was killed overseas, my parents got gloating phone calls from the anti-war types. There’s no sense in lowering ourselves in that direction.
    We’re better than that.
    Richard A. Aubrey, Jr.
    71542

    • Nick

      February 5, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      I’m really sorry to hear that, sir.

      People can be absolutely awful.

      Thank you for your family’s sacrifice.

  41. JT

    February 4, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    He left children on this earth and thought his drugs were more important. I can tell the author has no kids. His actor worship article makes no sense. Fuck Hoffman.

  42. John

    February 5, 2014 at 4:25 am

    He might have done his job well but he was a counter to some of my beliefs. I understand he was a human that is flawed just like I am but, him backing the gun control movement was him saying fuck me and my wants. So I still say fuck him and I’m glad there is one less dick head buying heroin.

  43. Darik

    February 6, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Some of you that insist on piling on Hofman are missing the point of the essay. Bad-mouthing a dead man is pointless and only makes the person doing it look small, petty, and cowardly. In short it makes the person doing it look like a Douche.
    Somewhere he has family and others that love him, and some fuck-wad on the internet shit-talking their loved one will accentuate their pain.
    What Nick is trying to say is we (veterans) talk a lot about standards, how about holding ourselves to some!

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