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Updated: December 12, 2012
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By Mr. Twisted

On the radio this morning I heard that the number one reason for the US Army turning away potential recruits is obesity. The story went on to add that, due to upcoming budget cutbacks, the Army is using its height and weight standards to ship soldiers out the door faster.

This brings up a couple questions.

Number one, why did it take a financial crisis—the likes of which our country has never seen—for the Army to finally begin following its own standards? I remember seeing numerous soldiers who, just by their appearance, were clearly in violation of at least height and weight standards, if not Physical Training standards, as well. Yet they continued to not only be soldiers, but be promoted.

I do understand that, in a time of war, we needed “cheeks in seats,” as one recently said—meaning that we needed warm bodies filling slots. But what is the cost to our force, overall? Have those extra bodies helped in the long run or simply made the Army weaker as a whole?

The second question the radio show brought up was me simply wondering—given that I’ve seen some rather hefty people in the Army, how fat is America that obesity is becoming the number one reason people are being turned away from serving? Is it that we’re getting bigger as a country, or is it the fact that, due to economic woes, many more people are attempting to enlist?

My own personal feelings (on the first question, at least) are simply that the Army has, for far too long, disregarded even the simplest of standards for several years. This can be evidenced by the fact that there is a substantial percentage of the green machine that has far more familiarity with topics like sexual harassment training and racial sensitivity than they do with Crossfit or combatives. I had soldiers who had considerably more hours logged in rape prevention class than they did running. This seems inherently wrong, yet that was the reality.

What say you, Ranger Up nation? We are curious to know how the community feels about this and, though I would like to see more Ninja Warrior obstacle courses in every day Army life, I do realize that there are other, valid opinions on the state of our troops. Is the idea to start axing people out of service for height, weight, and fitness failures a good idea? Will it make the Army stronger in the long run or will it weaken it due to a substantial decrease in numbers?

I could ramble on here about the economics aspect of this argument or the concept of a smaller, faster force, etc. However, The Rhino Den would very much like to hear your input on this topic. Or, if you would rather just write a comment debating whether or not “Jedi” is a worthy alternative religion, if North Korea’s current leader could sing “I’m So Ronery” as well as his father, or how depressed you are that upcoming Tom Cruise movies actually look good, well then that’s okay, too.

Give us your thoughts.

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40 Comments

  1. Robert Maddox

    December 12, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    It is right that the Army should make it a priority to insure that soldiers are fit, but, by that same statement they should also take steps to make sure that soldiers are exercising and motivated to do so, as an active duty and reserve service member; there is ample opportunity to exercise in the active duty for the most part depending on your job; but in the reserves, you are on your own, trying to juggle job,family, and sometimes a bad neighborhood, or situation can make it next to impossible to keep up with standards and remain within the force.

    • Antonio Aguilar

      December 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm

      Have to agree 90%. I’m in the Guard now and while I live in a half way bad neighborhood (two houses down from a guy I arrested in my civilian job as a cop), work very long hours, have a wife and kid, and I still find time to do PT 3 or 4 times a week, if only for 30 minutes.

  2. Big Al The Soldiers Pal

    December 12, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Here in Hawaii we have lots of wide body Officerss, NCOs and Soldiers that need to go. I guess they all have some sickness(over eating). By the way why does the CSA always wear that windbreaker???

  3. PatrickQ

    December 12, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Let’s face it, most American adults are fat, either obese or overweight. http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html It’s all McDonald’s fault. And video games. I don’t think the financial crisis has anything to do with the Army enforcing standards, it’s the same way things worked in the 90′s – the last drawdown aka the peace dividend.

  4. AZ Infantryman

    December 12, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    I was chartered for failure to comply with 600-9 back in 1999. I was 192 pounds (3 pounds over limit) and depending who taped me 15-21 % body fat and two words in the reg are what got me, commanders discretion. It pisses me off when I see fat tubs of crap in uniform and I got thrown out. Same standard for everyone.

  5. jim

    December 12, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Im a civvi, I do Crossfit 4-6 times a week. Whats the deal where service folks can barely move their bodyweight out of bed. Aren’t the food choices on base healthy?

    • Sig

      December 12, 2012 at 8:30 pm

      To answer your last question: no.

  6. JAMES WILLIAMS

    December 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    SERIOUSLY? this is the military, let’s stop be pc here please

  7. AppalachianRanger

    December 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    It always made me laugh that the E-6 yelling at me in the PX “because my hair was to shaggy” below my tan beret, couldn’t get from the Quizno’s to the parking lot with out sitting down to catch his breath. I feel that the army, for FAR TOO LONG, has been putting way too much emphasis on regs like hands in the pockets or walking and talking on your cell phone. Not to steal from the NFL, but come on man. Really?! These are the regulations they want to uphold, but the jag officer that has to wear tennis shoes with his uniform because his feet hurt after a run is fine? Hey bud loose that tire around your gut and put your F’n boots back on. It’s not just the army though, one of my best friends was a Marine and he says the same damn things. And it’s almost always the non-combat MOS’s.
    Slightly off topic (but it will make a full circle); not that I think that women couldn’t be combat MOS’s, because I know they could; but if women were to be allowed in infantry units, there would be more PT time or range time wasted on “sexual harassment in the workplace” briefings, it’s just a sad fact. My answer, all female infantry units, problem solved.
    The army needs to take a hard look at their standards, all of them, and decide what’s important. Is the dude that is talking to his wife on the phone while walking across the parking lot more wrong then the fatty shoving his face with Cheetoes (flaming hot)? Hell no! Maybe the army should post a guy in the front of every building to tell people they need haircuts and drop some god damn weight! RLTW!!

  8. Cole

    December 12, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    I think the obesity problem isn’t going away anytime soon, but the military can still fill slots while remaining selective. I do think that the ht/wt standards are out of touch with reality though. I knew many soldiers who would never pass a tape test, because they were naturally big guys. One in particular could carry a M240B like a pistol, and pass his APFT with ease, but he was stuck and unable to be promoted because of a system that seems to value looks over performance. This new craze makes me wonder how many soldiers with years of real combat experience will be fired even though they can perform their jobs far above standard.

    • Chap

      December 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm

      I’ve never seen a stacked PT stud fail tape. If for some reason you have over a 39″ waist and less than a 15″ neck, and can still max your APFT…

      Won’t happen. And even where it might happen, we don’t need marginal performers who can merely pass the APFT with 60 in each event, but are really still overweight and combat ineffective.

  9. JAMES WILLIAMS

    December 12, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    SERIOUSLY? this is the military, let’s stop be pc here please, if you can’t be fit then gtfo, its simple

  10. ellis

    December 12, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    The army has 2 many fat asses, making us look sloppy and lazy, we are suppost to be held to a higher standard. I say give them 6 months, who ever doesnt meet the cut, goodbye, let a highschool kid whos in shape take ur spot, uve had time to get ur shit together

  11. Zack

    December 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    The biggest problem with the Army is enforcement of the existing standards. They’ve always been there, they just weren’t convenient for the Army during the height of GWOT when a mass influx of new trops was required. That is NOT to say it’s wrong to enforce the standards, just to point out the inconsistencies in the enforcement of Army standards. This is the same problem as the new tattoo policy promulgated by the SMA- “gee, see, now the tatoo policy has changed and you’ve got to go; yes, I realize you volunteered during the height of the war, had the same tatoos then as you do now, and have several combat tours and what not, but you just don’t look the way we want you to now. Bye, and good luck.”

    How about this (and I know this will be unpopular with some): let’s take a page from the Marine Corps in that no matter what Marine installation you go to anywhere in the world, the standard is the same (because it’s the STANDARD) and not some local policy which some good idea fairy or CG/CSM came up with for ‘career enhancement’ by having a claim to fame (or infamy- see ‘PT belt’ or ‘black beret’). In other words, why don’t we just try obeying the rules that are already there and changing them the right way if they don’t make sense anymore.

  12. Jack

    December 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    I think the answer is obvious. It’s time that we, the military community as a whole, ask ourselves one very important question in reflection on this and other issues: What would Sparta do?

  13. Jack

    December 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    I think the answer is obvious. We should focus on the quality of our warfighting abilities and not the quantity of bodies. It’s time that we, the military community as a whole, ask ourselves one very important question in reflection on this and other issues: What would Sparta do?

  14. Mad Medic

    December 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Ok this one is tough. So first off the H/W standards ARE the standard. We must follow them, because that’s just the way it is. HOWEVER you have to admit they’re a little ridiculous. A guy who can run a marathon is about the only soldier I’ve ever seen pass the weight. We’ve all seen some really good NCOs and some really buff MoFos have to get taped, even the fact that muscle weights about 10 times more per mass than fat has to be taken into account.

    I er on the side of Commander’s call. If a soldier is a fat body but absolutely excellent at his job then there’s leeway, and the CO should make the final call. If he can’t pass the PT test, or had a deadman profile, again commanders call. the only people that I think Big Army should have the power to reach down and yank out of the ranks are the people who are just too broke dick to function.

    This particular cluster fuck is the beancounter’s wet dream. They get to kick out all sorts of people based on metrics that have nothing to do with the soldier’s actual job performance.

  15. Mike

    December 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    I can remember two fat soldiers (INFANTRY soldiers, no less) discussing how to get their LBEs to fit their fat asses. WTF! Talking about belt extenders and shit like that.

    People talk about the fiscal cliff and the automatic cuts, and how it is going to hurt defense. Are you kidding me? When you have to grease the tank to get the fat tanker out, we can cut back on some staff. Run leaner. Run meaner.

    We had a guy we called solid body – he was anything but. He could not pass the PT test (took him 30 minutes to “run” the two mile), could do five (count ‘em five) pushups. And I’m not sure about situps because his fat gut was in his way, so I’m not sure what kind of fit he was having on the situps. This was only seven years ago.

    I love the infantry and am proud of my time there. But how much more proud I would have been if they had gutted the force of all of the fatasses.

  16. Antonio Aguilar

    December 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    We come from a culture of privileged where you’re never held responsible for what you do to yourself; addiction isn’t a personal choice it’s a disease. You’re never an addict, thief, or shit-bag; your just sick or a victim of your circumstances. You’re underprivileged and society owes you more breaks than everyone else.

    The Army has no room for that. If a soldier can’t carry their weight, no pun intended, then they are dead weight (still no pun intended). The army is not the place for social experiments, and the battle field is not the place for sensitivity.

  17. Adam

    December 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Just looking around where I live, watching morning PT is sad, the cage kickers rarely show up and then scream about the units being too fat.

  18. Vince

    December 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    I have not had the honor of serving my country in the armed forces as I do not meet physical requirements. I was born with a myriad of eye problems and my eye sight is very poor. As badly as I wanted to enlist, I had to come to the understanding that my physical inability would jeopardize my safety and the safety of those around me, that I would serve with. It tears my guts out to have to own the fact I would be a combat liability and that there is not a damn thing I can do to change it… I can’t PT until I puke, I can’t work harder or pay anyone to fix my condition. I own who and WHAT I am even though it might not make me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside. This “feel good” mentality society seems to be adopting is bullshit and in defiance of reason. In my humble opinion, a fighting unit is only as strong as it’s weakest link. There absolutely must be a minimum set of physical standards to be met as the weakest link in a fighting unit is a liability, not only to himself, but to everyone around him who must pick up his slack. Becoming a soldier IS a life and death decision, for yourself and those those you would serve with. Hurt feelings be damned… this is not an area where the “participation trophy” should be employed. Physical fitness is required to be effective in combat and it is earned… that’s just all there is to it. I believe it was a Damn Few episode where a phrase was brought up, “TOUGHNESS IS FUCKING EARNED!”

  19. Jason

    December 12, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    It’s kind of a tough decision here, the new blood coming into the military will generally follow the trends of it’s civilian counterpart. I remember when I first got in standards were significantly lowered for height/weight regs. and a lot of recruiters were flat out disgusted by the new regs. I went in at something like 230 lbs. at 6’4″ and barely squeaked by – but in the end I was just as fit as the guy next to me.

    If you don’t have a viable medical reason, such as a pinned hip or herniated discs in your back, then there is no reason to be putting on a ton of weight in the military (outside of the initial weight gain after training). The problem lies in lazy CO’s, what is a soft MOS fat body supposed to do when their own cadre show no interest in PT?

    I know far too many people who were not in a Combat Arms MOS that were never required to perform PT during their service.

    Yes the military needs to stick to it’s standards, and all soldiers should be fit – barring injury you have incurred during service and that you are a soft MOS – but it’s really on our leaders when you see a fat sack of shit dragging his knuckles through a PX in uniform and tennis shoes.

    Now that we aren’t in a time of war it’s suddenly back to having America’s heroes in uniform, but when we’re fighting the good fight it’s OK to have a bunch of sacks waddling around base barking orders to soldiers that are ten times the warrior they’ll ever be? Hypocritical to the last.

    Sorry guys, but the Army ain’t the Army we used to love. If you ain’t Combat Arms MOS, you ain’t seeing what a warrior needs to be on a day to day basis – unless you’ve got the heart to put that burden on yourself.

    • Eric

      December 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm

      Wait we arent in a time of War now? Someone should tell the Taliban.

  20. Becklopedia

    December 12, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    The Army has ignored PT for a long time and at almost every level including BCT and AIT. Though I’m a happily separated veteran now, In 2010 I was sent to Ft Huachuca to reclass (E-6 at the time) and in that particular AIT company PT was almost an afterthought. While we had a PT formation Monday through Friday, I would say we would actually conduct PT maybe three out of five days any given week. Something always came up that got in the way. Monthly Class A inspections, room inspections, bi-weekly piss tests of 10% of the company all took priority over PT in the morning. Hell at least once a month 1SG didn’t want to do anything so he would Zonk us.
    Even when we did actually conduct PT it was not on any sort of plan and the platoon sergeants (no more Drill Sergeants in AIT companies) would argue in front of trainees about who had to lead it. We would invariably end up doing about 30 minutes of the truly worthless new PRT. On a few occasions I, as an MOS transition student, was told at the last minute to lead company PT without any permanent party NCOs or officers there to supervise! Granted I was an NCO and this is NCO work however I got my dick stomped by the garrison CSM because I was conducting PT for an AIT company without cadre present. But hey, at least everyone was wearing a reflective belt.
    This was a six month AIT and if a trainee passed their APFT when they first got there, they were never tested again. This was a horrible plan because I saw so many privates and even a few MOS transition Soldiers start to pack on pounds during the six months we were all there. Because the morning PT sessions were total crap or non-existent, I had to spend extra time in the gym after class just to keep in shape so I wouldn’t lose points on my APFT when I returned to my unit after graduation.
    Shortly after I graduated I got a call from one of my MOS transition class mates who had gone on to Airborne School in route to his next duty station along with ten of the AIT students. Long story short, he told me all ten of these privates who had been out of AIT for less than a week failed the APFT on day one of Airborne School, lost their slots, and had their orders changed to non-Airborne units. Was there blowback for the AIT company commander? Did the unit start doing regular and beneficial PT? From what a buddy in a later class has told me, the answer is apparently no.

  21. T. Morris

    December 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Here’s a suggestion – don’t be a fatass in a physically-demanding professional field. This isn’t Call of Honor or whatever video game these shithead kids are playing, this is reality, this is serious, people do actually shoot real bullets at you. If you can’t move your own ass, you’re as good as dead.

    That being said, there’s men out there that will never pass height/weight/tape, yet they’re in far better shape than I. At the same time, while these bear-like men are total badasses, what happens when they get their happy ass shot? I’m a little over five and a half feet, 140 pounds, and while I can and have humped an M240B for countless miles in Iraq and generally score 260-280 on the PT test, its silly to think I’d be able to move that guy effectively. How does that factor into the equation here?

  22. Emma

    December 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Lowering expectations never benefited anything. A healthy lifestyle is a choice, although not always an easy one. But this is the military-you guys don’t do easy.

  23. M.S. McCoy

    December 12, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    I’m wondering how many of you guys have actually read 600-9. You are allowed to exceed HT/WT table, its no big damn deal. You just have to get taped. Hell, in the AR it actually encourages you to exceed the weight table so long as you remain at or below 15% (and someone my age, 25, can be up to 24%). At 71 inches, my table max weight is 189. I weigh in at 203. That is 14 pounds over table weight, however with a 17 inch neck and a 32 inch waist that runs as 8% on the 5500. There are about 20 guys in my company that exceed weight. THREE of those 20 don’t look like a stuffed summer sausage in their ACUs, the rest are questionable at best (even the ones that do pass). As an infantryman I find fat fucks disgusting. There is nothing that pisses me off more on a daily basis than looking around at other NCO’s and seeing that a good 50% of them are fat. Most of them are either pathetic with PT scores in the low 200 range, or are riding some bullshit profile about how their knee hurts so they can always dodge a PT test when they come along. In other news, PRT is also a waste and has done nothing to help fix fat asses.

  24. Mike

    December 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    I firmly believe that the near future of the US Army and Marines, i.e. a 80,000 PAX draw down, will fix a lot height/weight/PT failures. Retention numbers are dropping off dramatically. Bar to re-enlistment is not being frowned up by BN and above commanders. Chapter due to height/weight/PT failures are more common. Officers are not making Captain due to not passing height/weight. DUI/DWI/sexual assault are career enders.

    Individuals who don’t want to get into tolerance are simple selecting themselves to fill those 80,000 required slots.

    I understand being larger, in 15 years, I have only had one weigh-in which I was within height/weight (21 days after graduating Ranger School, great weight loss program), but that is no excuse to not pass. Being big doesn’t mean having a big gut.

  25. Mark August

    December 12, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Even though it is important to keep physical standards, given the small percentage of citizens willing to serve, obese potential recruits should be able to join if they are willing get fit in the process of training. However, if any soldier does not maintain physical standards of height and weight once met, they are not military material. But if an obese person wants to join, they should know what they are getting themselves into, and that they will have to suffer to meet expectations.

  26. GI Joey

    December 12, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    PT standards being upheld will undoubtedly help with the troop level reduction, but it still sucks for a lot of guys that fall through the cracks. A few months ago, I tried to go from Guard to Active, and was kept running in circles by MEPS people to the point where 3 straight 368′s expired, basically telling me ‘we don’t want you.’ All the while, they spend untold amounts of money on recruiting commercials. That being said, it irritates the fuck out of me to know a bunch of fat asses munching on fast food and poorly trained new privates are driving onto post every morning, yet I, with an extended scale PT score throughout my entire career, 11B, 12B, and 25U MOS’s held, airborne/air assault, and flawless NCOER’s, am considered excess baggage. The Army needs to take a better look at who needs to go and who needs to be picked up. PT is a good start, but USAREC is a bigger one…

  27. Brokenrob

    December 13, 2012 at 2:23 am

    This ones easy. All we need is a large white van to drive around the posts. If you’re one of the very large soldiers they grab you and do a Hight and Weight test right there in the van. You fail they start your chapter paperwork right then. The Army is not a jobs program and owes you nothing if you can’t keep your end of the deal up. I understand that our country has gotten fat but thats no excuse. As someone that has to work hard to stay in shape I find peoples excuses invalid. If you’re so injured you can’t PT take it up with the VA thats what they are there for.

  28. irate sarge

    December 14, 2012 at 9:38 am

    The fact is that baring people from joining and booting soldiers that are lard asses out is a good step. The sad fact is that it does not go far enough. The Army needs to be overhauled, start with fatty magge, and keep going to PT failures, disciplinary actions that a few years ago would have been an instant chapter. Well you see where I’m going. The army needs to keep only soldiers that meet every single criteria for staying in including career progression standards. And have that as a foundation to rebuild the army. For far too long puny soldiers have been getting in because they had to have bodies regardless of the quality of the soldier. I for one will take quality over quantity and to drive that point home soldiers are outnumbered every day in combat and we still win.

  29. Rich Pfonner

    December 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    as the late, great Colonel Charlie Beckwith said ” I’d rather go down the river with seven studs than than with a hundred shitheads”

    • Matthew Ellis

      December 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm

      Exactly. It’s simple: quality over quantity always wins out. I don’t wanna be rolling tubby along when I could have several studs running as a pack.

  30. Carolyn O'Day

    December 20, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    I have had a weight problem all my life. As a parent, I make sure that my 3 sons have diets that have lots of veggies and fruit, lean protein and healthy fats. They exercise and are involved in many activities. They are in terrific shape.

    This week, I was told that my youngest (who is an accomplished club distance runner) was not able to participate in a high school sport because his body fat was only 5%. We are encouraging fat kids. Unbelievable…

  31. Jason Mathis

    December 20, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Congress has mandated that the Army and the Marines have to cut something like 40,000 troops by the end of 2016. With us out of Iraq and Afghan winding down they say that a force of its present size is no longer required. The Army is using the Height/Weight cut in order to reduce its force size without having to risk cutting its top preformers. The Navy went throught this about 7 years ago. They said that the Navy was adopting a culture of fitness. In truth it was because Congress forced us to cut 60,000 sailors over a 5 year period and if you have ever taken a stroll through Norfolk, you know that fatbody sailors are a dime a dozen. On top of the PFA cuts the Navy also instituted a program called PTS which is an application process you have to go through in order to be eligible to re-enlist if you were at 6 years of service or less; then 10 years or less; then 14 years or less. When even more cut were ordered the Navy they instituted a program called ERB a program that tossed out sailors from certain job codes in the paygrade of E-1 through E-8 with 7 to 15 years of service based on a decision made by a board that reviewed only your paper record and refused to receive coraspondence from any of your current or previous CO’s attesting to your worth to the Navy.

    So with the cuts for the Army ordered this will be the first of many programs utilized to “better shape the force”.

  32. Krys

    December 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Rape prevention, sexual harassment videos, all of these are trying to address an entirely separate issue from PT. Soldiers should be proficient in all basic tasks and skills–and upholding the army values is something that should be at the front of every soldier’s mind. The army is continuing to change, and more females are finding themselves serving to protect their families, earn wages and benefits for their children, etc. Currently, no one can say we have a completely safe platform for them to do their duties in. No one can say with confidence that if they allow a female into their all-male ranks for any reason (admin or front line) that they will be safe from soldiers heckling them, hitting on them, or attempting to put them in a sexual situation. It’s an important issue being addressed… If soldiers cannot control themselves around their own… how can we trust them to not violate our own standards and codes when it comes to strangers and the enemy? A lack of values is a serious issue regardless of how many push-ups a soldier can do.

    With all of that said. There definitely needs to be a grace period for national guardsmen and reservists because, although it’s nice to say that they require PT on their own time, the reality is life gets in the way for various reasons and even active duty soldiers have times where PT is put on the back burner for important events, injuries, etc. Outside of that grace period, if you cannot meet the standards in 1 year’s time, you should go. Soldiers should meet all of their basic requirements–army values AND PT. We’re soldiers, and trained to fight.. It’s hard to be a good fighter when you cannot even lift up your own body weight. Even if your heart is in the right place.

    Now, the current height/weight/pt standards.. that’s entirely separate issue that would take me a week to write about, so I won’t touch it.

  33. Hunter

    February 22, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Being part of a reserve maintenance unit I see soldiers, especially NCO’s, who haven’t passed an APFT in years all the time and totally agree that they should face the consequences for not meeting PT standards. On the other hands the height/weight standards drive me nuts. They don’t take a soldier’s actual physical ability into account at all. As I am also an ROTC cadet, I take an APFT and height/weight almost every month. I routinely max out pushups and situps, and pass the run with more than enough time to spare. However, I am currently about 2% over the body composition standards ( I’m a broadly built guy, and haven’t been anywhere near the Army’s prescribed max weight of 175 for my age and height since about the sixth grade). As a result, I can’t be contracted at this point. Meanwhile many cadets who meet the height/weight standards but don’t come anywhere close to my PT score continue to draw money from ROTC scholarships. Am I out of line for seeing an issue with this?

  34. Shaun

    February 25, 2013 at 6:45 am

    AR 600-9 has been a thorn in my side the whole time I have been in the Army. As of my last hight and weight I was 250 on the nose and I had a 40 inch neck and a 17 inch waist which for those not in the know is a 25% body fat at 27 years old that puts me 3% out of Regs. So in the eyes of the Army I’m fat and out of shape. Which brings me to one of my points my last APFT score was 253 well above the Army required minimum score and actully above my company average. Now here is the kicker if I was one inch smaller on my wasit and half of an inch bigger on my neck, I would be just fine and be considered a model solider. But due to an inch I have become a shitbag in the eyes of my command. My question to the Army is why use AR 600-9 when it has been proven to not be the best at giving a propper BF% as opposed to other more modern test and the blind answer big Army gives…Because its time and cost effective…..let that sink in for a second because it would cost to much money and take a few minutes more the army stays with a test that is know to be inaccurate.

    Ok I’ve been a big guy my whole life I come from a big family I’m not built like these skinny fucks who seem to rule the army these days. So I did what any good joe would do when faced with a medical problem I went to talk to the PA. Granted our PA is not the best but I held out hope. His solution to my weight issue….use an Iphone app meal tracker (when I told him I didn’t have a smart phone he asked why not like I was crazy), oh and the usual do more PT (I do company PT every morning and then another hour after work 5 days a week), take fat burners, and here is the kicker stop eatting and taking on water for 3-4 days prior to your next test and the night before wrap your self in plastic wrap and hemroid cream. Is this really the best the Army can do, work out dont eat or drink and wrap your self in cream and plastic. To say the least I’m not to happy that a medical profesinal and I use the term losely has told me that his only solution to my problem could potentailly put my self in more pysical harm then being an inch over tape.

    So I started to look at AR 600-9 and I realized that like many other manuales in the army its outdated. AR 600-9 is out of date by at least 20 years which means any numbers they used in it creation is probally at least 30 years out of date. There baseing the “look” of the normal solider today off of numbers from the average person 20-30 years ago maybe even longer. If you look back in time people where much smaller in height and size then as opposed to now. In this soliders thoughts the Army needs to take a look at what the average human (not just american but world wide) looks like today I think it might shook them a bit. We’ve grown, for one reason or another some people blame it on mcdonalds some on television but lets face it its a little bit of everything. In the 1940′s in some parts of this contry people still hunted and farmed all there own food and walked to the next town do buy something. Now we get in a car to drive to the corner market to buy steak to grill on our back grill. Times have changed and so should the Army.

    I’m not saying that all fat people in the Army should get a pass because trust me as one of those looked at by the masses as fat I can tell you there are some mother fuckers in today that make me assamed to put in the same room with them. A lot of them are guys who came in 10+ years ago when the going was good and the brass just overlooked them to fill another slot on there readiness report and now there at the rank level where most people can’t or wont question them. I see E-6′s on up the line to E-8′s and even a CSM or two that wouldn’t pass a height and weight much less a PT test if they tried but because of there stripes and time in service no one dares questions to see them get taped or even run an APFT. But they will be the first ones to scream about chaptering my ass out over an inch.

    I’m trying to make my tape as hard as I can one becasuse I know that loseing the weight and the PT is great for my health and take it from a guy who used to way 345 lbs I know that I feel much better today then I did then. Secondly because I have grown to love the Army, I joined up because I had now job and nothing else to do, I was a pot smoking alcholic overweight loser, the Army turned my ass around and gave me a direction and I have dreams of going through OCS and becoming a better leader some day. I can PT with the best of them and at the end of it I can still pick up a 100 lbs ruck and not bitch about it like some of my smaller counterparts seem to do. I eat right most of the time though I allow myself a cheat meal every once in a while I’m not a robot. I just angers me that because of an inch I’m looked down upon by my COC and the Army as a whole and I know there are a lot of good soldiers out there that have the same story as I do. I think the Army needs to start cutting its losses with the soldiers in there ranks that are repeat criminal offenders, DUI’s, spouse or child abuseres, popping hot on drug tests…you know the ones who bring TRUE shame and dishoner to our ranks but hey there skinny so why would you get rid of them……I’m just saying

  35. brad

    March 4, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    Some of your post are way too damnable long. You could’ve been running.

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